Beginning Concepts on The Multicellular Stage

[Rathalos]

@Deus

But my point is that the additional consumption cost pales in comparison to the net gain in ATP efficiency from placing down a hydrogenosome, a mitochondria, metabolosome, hydrogenase, etc. - or even another chloroplast/thylakoid, which very frequently acts in the opposite way and even slows down the rate at which resources are consumed as you add more parts.

Hmmm, I have to say this is typically not what I observe, it seems like adding more ATP producing cell parts does not improve efficiency unless you also have prokaryotic proteins/cytoplasm. I would have to run the numbers to be sure. (Auto-evo energy calculations seem to come to the same conclusion as myself though).

@Deus

Especially when you possess a chloroplast/thylakoid, there is very little reason not to place down another energy or glucose producing part. You will always have the option to burn more energy, and will always have the option to offset this burning of energy with additional sugar production.

This, I can imagine. Really, this goes for any metabolism that is not dependent on clouds/chunks/prey to survive. If you do need one of those, it’s quite easy to run out of food if you are too large. I don’t think that’s an uncommon comment from the community either. It came up during the chemosynthesis balance discussion for example.

@Deus

The adjacency and specialization pressures really have no bearing beyond just another mechanic, when it should be a focal point of Multicellular strategy.

I guess I will have to see after we have those systems implemented, whether there really is not enough incentive to use them. Though I have to emphasise again that if we implement something like this, auto-evo energy calculations need to change because the current simple osmoregulation cost already quite limits species size.